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Saturday, 8 October 2011

A new twist on the "Bob Lazar" story?

A new twist on the "Bob Lazar" story?

 was just looking through some of the threads and came across this.

AREA 51 INSTALLATION GROOM LAKE, NEVADA
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I came across the part about Bob Lazar, and his story of working there, (At S-4) and a thought ran through my head.

My question to all of you is what if Bob was telling the truth?

At least in a way that he thought it to be the truth?

What if the Military told him that the work he was doing there was the reverse engineering of alien spacecraft, when, that was actually just a cover story for what they have previously engineered themselves, but don't want anyone else to know about it?

Again, it's just a thought that went through my mind just now, but what if what he said is something he really doesn't believe to be a lie? (Even though it may in fact be one?) If that's what he really believes to be the truth, then even if you hook him up to a lie detector, there's really no way for anyone to prove otherwise.


The military does, after all, really like to use cover stories to keep hidden what they are actually doing. History will prove that fact without a doubt. (To be quite honest, I can't really blame them.) And what better way than to deceive common humanity with a topic that most will dismiss without any further thought as being one too bizaar and out there to give any more real thought?


All thoughts on this are welcome.


reply posted on 5-10-2007 @ 12:09 PM by sToKcArR

Isn't it true that Bob Lazar knew stuff about the properties of element 115 before that element was found to exist? 


This is true. Lazar knew details of the properties of element 115, now called Ununpentium, before it was generally discovered. His details differed from current analysis of the element, including it's half-life. Lazar postulates that the distant-stellar element 'version' is more stable.


This line of speculation always comes back to the question, "How did Bob Lazar know the exact time and date of the flying saucer test at S-4 that John Lear witnessed on March 22, 1989?" 


Thanks for your response John. Those details are fascinating, and a lot of that information was new to me. I agree completely that anyone compromising a military installation secrecy policy in this way would have his employment record disavowed to ruin his credibility. He'd already made too much noise to just 'silence' him. I believe he did work at Los Alamos, and probably at other installations, and probably knew about future government vehicles, and could direct attention towards a specific date and time a concept vehicle was to be flight tested.


Thanks for the postsToKcArR. No, Bob did not lie about his educational background. For reaons unknown to me or Bob all of his records have disappeared. That doesn't mean he lied and in fact he didn't. 


If his records have disapeared, and there's no record of his educational background, that doesn't mean Lazar is telling the truth, either. I have seen his W2 records from the Department of Naval Intelligence, and still believe Lazar was working in or around confidential projects. I think his stories, though based on fact, have been embellished and exaggerated.

In reference to the topic at hand, yes, I think Lazar is telling the truth - his truth. It is what he has come to believe, and what he has convinced himself happened. I believe most of it is the 'real' truth, but there is too much static to blindly believe in everything he says.


reply posted on 6-10-2007 @ 02:09 PM by Lexion
I've pondered this as well,
in This thread.
Oddly, noone took it seriously.

I was quite serious.

Regards,
Lex

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reply posted on 29-11-2007 @ 07:17 PM by OSSkyWatcher
www.youtube.com...

lazars history is there so take 1 minute and 12 seconds to see his name in the los alamos phone directory and see him in a news paper which reads that he worked at the lab

he was clearly there doing something, playing with himself maybe? i mean if he wasn't there working on the things he said he worked on then what else would he be doing



[edit on 29-11-2007 by OSSkyWatcher]


reply posted on 13-12-2007 @ 10:10 AM by communicator
reply to post by JOEYSINNER


No, I think he must have some backing somewhere, like John Lear may have some...

some people who may be supportimng these guys... or maybe they have some setup, that in case if they are hurt will inform general masses... they may have made this clear to the people who wants to hurt them

On the other note... I think Bob's story is true... or else why his credentials from MIT are wiped completely? because that makes his story totals fake... just imagine that his degrees are true... than his story becomes more difficult to deny, so they just wiped his history and than simply said... who is Bob Lazer?, he is just making his story, he has no education to do what he claims.

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reply posted on 13-12-2007 @ 01:55 PM by johnlear
Originally posted by SkipShipman


I think the right page is: www.myspace.com...

Maybe John Lear could verify this?



There is no way that this page was created by Bob. None.

Sorry for the one line post. There is nothing more to say. 
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Bob Lazar was telling the truth so says a Lockheed Martin Senior Research Scientist of 20 years, who held Top Secret clearance.

Bob Lazar was telling the truth so says a Lockheed Martin Senior Research Scientist of 20 years, who held Top Secret clearance.
Bob Lazar was telling the truth so says a Lockheed Martin Senior Research Scientist of 20 years, who held Top Secret clearance.

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Recap - UFO & Antigravity Disclosure - From Coast To Coast

UFO Researcher David Sereda discussed his recent work, videotaping the disclosure of 73-year old Boyd Bushman, a Lockheed Martin Senior Research Scientist of 20 years, who held Top Secret clearance. He holds a number of patents and designed the Red Eye Missile (now the Stinger Missile), and infrared FLIR systems. Bushman also reverse engineered antigravity and UFO technology, Sereda reported.

There is a force related to the expansion of the universe that is actually stronger than gravity, and this could relate to antigravity propulsion, Bushman told him. He demonstrated phases that lead up to antigravity, including experiments in which magnets reduced the gravity of a rock. Bushman verified that Area 51 in Nevada was indeed the place where alien craft were tested-- but such testing moved to a facility in Utah after Area 51 became well known, he noted.

Bushman also revealed that he was friends with a Navy doctor that treated a pilot who shot down the Roswell craft in 1947. Though he didn't state the specific type of weapon used, Sereda speculated that it might have been Tesla's "death ray," confiscated by the government after Tesla's death in 1943. Bushman also showed Sereda a diagram for a nuclear-powered flying saucer (click on photo above), which he said was first flown out of Wright Patterson AFB in 1959.
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Friday, 30 September 2011

NASA is lying

We just got a email which talked about how NASA released a photo that they shouldn’t have, a picture of a piece of timber the size of a railroad tie. NASA claims that Mars is a desert planet with no life at all. NASA lies, repeatedly. Picture on NASA Server 

Where would a piece of timber this size come from? There are vast forests on Mars, ones that are kept from the public. This piece of wood looks like it floated to its present location, being partially sunk in the soil. The ground around it is very interesting. Notice the flat rock formation of the soil and the crevices in between them. Does this look familiar? It appears to be the bed of a dried up pond.

There had to be a significant amount of water in this area, water high enough to lift that railroad tie sized piece of timber and float is perhaps several miles. The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter showed that vast regions of the Red Planet have been altered by floods. This dried pond effect should come as no surprise.

This flood had to have happened within the past thirty or forty years because the wood is intact, though this is judging the rate of decay by Earth standards. Some may say that Mars did have water on it long ago and that it even had an atmosphere, which is true, but a piece of timber isn’t going to survive for thousands of years.

Both of the Viking Orbiters filmed vast forests on Mars, though no subsequent probe to the Red Planet has shot a single frame of film showing a tree. This was by design. The Viking photographs show more than just a few trees but rather thousands upon thousand of them.
These trees appear to be much larger than Earth trees, having a leaf and branch system that is unique to Mars. The foliage spans much wider than a similar plants on Earth do, rising to who knows what heights. The spacing between them could be the result of the dying Martian atmosphere. Dense forests more than likely filled large areas of Mars back in the days when it had a breathable environment. There were undoubtedly several species of trees, and different varieties of underbrush, which are now extinct.

The Flood destroyed the Garden of Eden and other ancient worlds that God wanted destroyed such as Atlantis. The Ancient Egyptians spoke of a time that existed before Egypt. The Sphinx clearly shows signs of water erosion, which shows that it existed before the Flood and well before modern archeologists claim that it did. The same wiping out strategy was applied to worlds beyond the Earth. Mars has an ancient world that was destroyed, one with a face and a pyramid. So it isn’t so hard to believe that the moon did as well.

Many claim that the moon isn’t a moon at all but an alien object that was placed in Earth orbit. Some have called it Luna. They claim that the moon was not mentioned in the Biblical story of creation, but it was. The moon was referred to as “the lesser light that rules the night” in Genesis 1:16. The moon stopped in the sky in Joshua 10:30 but this had nothing to do with the alien presence there.

The aliens live on the surface of the moon, but this is in no way saying that there isn’t an alien presence inside the moon as well. If you take some time to use your photo editor with high-resolution photos of the moon, it won’t take you long to find these structures. NASA will suggest that you created this or that it is really part of a crater. Stop and ask yourself one question, if the moon really is as NASA claims that it is, then why are some photos classified and unavailable to the public while others are inked and blurred?

One of the most famous examples of this is the Apollo 16 “Earth rise” photo in which “the Earth” is rising over the moon. NASA says that the object in the picture is the Earth and few people question it. If you think for yourself, and look with an open mind, you will clearly see that this is a UFO. This is another craft off to the left, which NASA doesn’t even attempt to explain away.

The fact that trees can survive in such an atmosphere, and with much less water than Earth trees do, reveals their unique structure while offering hope for an increasingly polluted Earth. Since the Martian atmosphere is 95% carbon dioxide, these plants would have to thrive on it in a way much superior to Earth trees.

They may give off oxygen, though I am using terrestrial vegetation for comparison, but they could give off another gas, one even toxic to humans. Seeding or drafting these trees in bulk could bring breathable air back to the Red Planet. If Mars was so altered by water, then where did all that water go? Some of it went into the soil, much of it is frozen at the poles, and a good percentage of it went into a lake. NASA didn’t need to spend all that money on the Phoenix Mission in order to search for water on Mars. All they had to do was look at their old photographs.

The only way that piece of timber got to where it was is by way of flood, and the only way that it separated from the tree that it was once a part of was by high and rapidly flowing water. Based on the findings of the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, that piece of wood could’ve floated for some distance before coming to its final resting place.

The lake, although frozen, Mars having a mean surface temperature of -46 degrees C, must contain more than just water. There has to be some amebas and other single celled organisms in these waters. There are most likely fossils of Martian fish and perhaps even Martian animals. On Earth, old lake beds are a prime location in which to find dinosaur fossils. Why would Mars be any different?

If you examine the lake carefully, especially toward the right angle, you will notice two indentations. One is large and shallow while the other one, which is located near the right edge of the lake, is small but much deeper. These are due to the lake shifting as the result of temperature fluctuations.

NASA can keep telling its lies but the photos have slipped out and what a story they tell. NASA thought that the Opportunity Rover took a picture of the area in front of it, but did they honestly expect us to forget about the railroad sized piece of timber in the foreground? It’s time for NASA to come clean with the public. It’s time that they land one of those rovers in Cydonia, the Inca city, or in one of forests.

Image sources:

The high resolution picture, which this might have come from is at:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20040524a/site_B115_navcam_180_cyl_L-B118R1.jpg
The object is on the left hand side of the montage.

More photos:

Navigation Camera :: Sol 115 (27 images) - Text Only version

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/opportunity_n115.htmlhttp://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/115/1N138388241EFF2700P1994R0M1.HTMLhttp://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/115/1N138388278EFF2700P1994L0M1.HTML

It can be seen in Navigation Photo Sol 118
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/119/1N138745027EFF2809P1987R0M1.HTML

Tom Arbino has his own UFO forum: http://www.ufo-secret-files.net/

References:www.livescience.com/space/080716-mars-water.htmlwww.marsdaily.com/reports/Frozen_Water_Confirmed_On_Mars_999.html
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NASA Alien Cover Up part 2

NASA Alien Cover Up part 2

A NASA Cover up Right Before Your Very Eyes 
The Mars Pathfinder Rover 
NASA is withholding photos from the public and has gone back and altered the original images that came from the Mars Pathfinder Rover, the little car the scientists that wobbled along and took pictures of the Martian landscape and the rock they named "Yogi."
The Rover has the capability of transmitting high-resolution images. That means very clear, sharp, and detailed pictures. NASA acknowledges that they have received such images. However, the images that have been released to the public are the low-resolution images. They refuse to release any high-resolution images to the public or the scientific community. Try and get some of the high-resolution pictures. Call NASA Chief Administrator, Charles F. Bolden, at             (202) 358-0001      .
 
What are they hiding? Withholding the high-resolution images is against the law. The images belong to you. You paid for them. All the images coming from the Mars Rover are numbered. Here are three to begin with.
They appear in the 'Photos' section of this website.
 
80881 
Taken on Sol 2/July 5. Here is the original version. Good luck at finding this. NASA no longer posts this image on their website or makes it available to anyone.

80904 
The same image as 80881, but it has been altered. Notice the right/front portion of the picture and you will see crude cuts and fractals. Fractals are those blurred squares in the picture that hide the detail.

80807 
Has had the color balance altered to eliminate the details in the photo.
 
If you have an image editing program like Adobe Photoshop, or 'print screen' on your personal computer, you can blow up different portions of the images. If you do, you will clearly see where crude alterations have been made. In any images that were not altered what you will see on the blow-up will astound you.

A Noted Geologist Speaks Up
Ronald Nicks has a degree in geology and he is a registered geologist in Oregon and California, a registered engineering geologist in Oregon, and is certified by the American Institute of Professional Geologists. Nicks has also held numerous high-level management positions in geology for the U.S. Department of Energy. He has over thirty-five years of southwestern (Mars-like), desert geological experience. He also has a strong familiarity with archaeological sites and excavation.
Nicks made a close up examination of some of the original unaltered images. (Some of the images were sent in the first seven minutes of the Mars Rover's transmission. These images were apparently not expected by NASA to  be transmitted, because the computer program sent them through sooner than expected.) What follows is what he discovered.

What the Martian "Rocks" Really Are 
Here it is in a nutshell: the rocks may not be "rocks." They appear to be artifacts! Artifacts are things that have been made, like when you find an old arrowhead or a piece of broken pottery. What Nicks says is this: If you are out roaming around the desert, you may find a single rock in any one given shape. That is, you may find a rock shaped like a triangle. You may find another shaped like a circle and another shaped like a rectangle. But you won't find a rock with all three distinct shapes in it. You will find this only in artifacts made by intelligent beings. If you blow up many of the Mars Rover images, you will clearly see several different geometric shapes in the same item! You will see many right angles, evenly spaced, and you will see tubes and wheels. You will see items resembling gear cogs, all evenly spaced. This does not happen naturally.

They Don't Want You to See This 
For some reason NASA does not want you to see this. Why? We're not sure. Investigations by John David Oates shows that part of the Mars Rover mission may have been the deployment of a weapon.
The New Head of NASA
On May 23, 2009, President Barack Obama appointed Major General Charles F. Bolden as NASA Administrator, the top position in the agency.
He is the first African-American to head the agency on a full-time basis.
Bolden has a distinguished career as a military fighter pilot and astronaut.
Charles Bolden is veteran of four space shuttle missions, including the flight that deployed the famed Hubble Space Telescope in 1990.
By all accounts, Bolden is one of the best of the best and a stand-up guy.
I'll bet he could tell us a few things. He's probably restricted from doing so, but let's ask him anyway:
"Hey Charlie, what about the ET craft you guys have seen We paid for the trip, how about  some REAL info?"

NASA Chief Charles F. Bolden
Charles F. Bolden NASA Administrator
Demand Your Rights as a Citizen 
Contact Charles F. Bolden. Call your congressman. Ask for your copy of the high-resolution, unaltered Mars Rover images. While you're at it, ask for the photos taken of the backside of the moon that they never showed the public. After all, they belong to you. You don't have to wait. You can go right now to the Web. Download a bunch of the "rock" images. Start blowing them up on your computer. You can see for yourself.
 NASA Contact Info:
Public Communications Office
NASA Headquarters
Suite 5K39
Washington, DC 20546-0001
            (202) 358-0001       (Office)
(202) 358-4338 (Fax)
E-mail: Public-inquiries@hq.nasa.gov

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